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Avatar niall.sheehan asked

Very confused clients - Editing pages

There are a few issues here.

First from the front end how does the client tell the difference between Page Builder Pages and a Standard Joomla Article?
The issues is clients are used to logging in to the front end and editing articles as needed. The front end editing on a YooTheme Pro site doesn't seem to understand the difference between a standard page and a builder page, if the user attempts to edit the Page Builder page in a normal editor things get messed up fast.

Part 2 is once I am able to get the user to click the Page Builder button, they have to figure out how to code in HTML as there is no editor. This is obviously not acceptable.

Searching the forum I found MAY request for an answer to these questions, however there are no answers from YooTheme. Please let us know your plan and timeline to fix these two substantial issues.

Thank you

  • Joomla
  • Feature Request
  • YOOtheme Pro

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Avatar diana.roald.60 answered

Hey Niall. I am sure that you really prefer an answer from Yootheme on how/when they will be addressing your question. I am just a regular Yootheme member who likes to try and find solutions to real-life problems so I thought that I would share a solution that I worked out so that a regular user wouldn't have access to pages/articles built in Page Builder from the front-end.

It sounds like what is most important for you is to make sure that the users who should be able to create/edit only Joomla articles/posts do not have access to create/edit/delete articles with the category used for PageBuilder pages/articles. The easiest way to accomplish this is to create a category that is used for all pages/articles built in Page Builder. In the "permissions" tab for the new category, you need to make sure that only "Manager", "Administrator" and "Super User" have any permissions (all other user groups are to to "denied"). Then all of the static pages built in Page Builder have to be assigned this new category.

In order to save me some time in my testing while at the same time having full control over access, I created a new category "blog-post" and created two test articles assigned to the "blog-post" category. I created a new user group "publisher-blog" so that I had full control but this is not really necessary. I then made sure that the "publisher-blog" user group had edit access for the "blog-post" category. Then I created a user that is assigned to the "publisher-blog" user group. In my test on my live test site HERE, the publisher-blog user group can not "create" new posts/articles in the "blog-post" category since this is a test and do not want others to add blog posts to my test site. In real life, this user group would need to have "create" permission set to "allow". As you can see, this user can not edit pages built in Page Builder from the front-end. If users click on the "Page Builder" button while editing their blog post/article in Joomla backend, hopefully they will see that they need to click "Close". :)

You can try it out by using the following login:

user: blog-author
password: blog-author

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Avatar carl.gerhard.wieners answered

That guy voting my post down really has no clue what I was talking about, right ?

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Avatar graham.styles answered

I should very much like an answer from Yootheme on this,I along with many others have been asking since day one of yoo pro with no response from Yoo support!!! I renewed my subscription on the basis of yoo pro being ready,it isn't and in my opinion it is not fit for purpose and tantamount to Fraud. You have a team of developers and they should now concentrate on this issue first. Annoyed with yootheme, G Styles.

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Avatar niall.sheehan answered

Some great ideas to work around the editing issues, however the ideas was to allow users to edit Builder pages, as they are fairly easy to update once setup, my concern is that they can't not intuitively differentiate between Builder and Joomla pages.

I see this as a two part fix:
1 - There is an floating EDIT button on pages that have been created with the Builder, so when clicking this link the Builder should open not the standard edit page where you must click on the Builder link
2 - When clicking the Edit link on a non-builder page the standard editor should open, if a Page Builder link/button is required, it should be labeled Convert to Page Builder

As for supporting the default WYSIWYG editor with in Page Builder that is a must. My work around is to start a new article, lay it out in the editor of choice then copy/paste into Builder, however this is more than I should expect the end user to do for simple maintenance of pages.

Still looking for a Yootheme Support Reply.

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Avatar carl.gerhard.wieners answered

Tip: Write your articles as before, Search for plugin 'Articles everyhere' install it and just link to articles from HTML in Page Builder.

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Avatar niall.sheehan answered

I voted down the suggestion because it is not an answer that satisfies the issues I'm raising with Yootheme.
Sure Articles Everywhere provides short code to insert an article anywhere, but it doesn't make things easier for my end users, or provide a text editor in Page Builder the tool we are being forced to use to leverage Yootheme Pro.

The only accepted answer will be from YooTheme and it will provide an ETA for fixing the work flow problems with Yootheme Pro.

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Avatar brandon.slack answered

Just to note:
The frontend edit button doesn't seem to show if you are logged into the builder via the admin. Once you close out of the back-end template system the edit button appears to the frontend logged in manager.

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Avatar sascha Yootheme answered

We added support for the default WYSIWYG editor in YOOtheme Pro 1.6. Read more about it here.

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Avatar niall.sheehan answered

But you still can NOT assign an article as content on a builder page or use any of the gadgets to display content such as an article, something that was standard with previous versions of the WidgetKit. Building all these non reusable 'sections' within BUilder is not useful.

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